Drugs reduced about half of my depression, if that. BUt left me with less ability to think well when on them, I hated them, Reduced sexuality too.
So I found a simple method, I could eliminate half of my depression in an hour by placing my hand in the same position as the fetus in the womb, holding it up near my chin or upper chest merely by bending my arm at the elbow, one hand is enough, holding it still, nothing in my hand, I can rest my elbow on anything If I want, sitting or standing or walking, and if lying down by lying on my back , placing my hand on my upper chest, fingers curled into a loose fist, always needing to be not in the presence of any electronics due to their radiation including any computer equipment or flat screened tv must be fifteen to seventeen feet away, cell phone three feet, non flat screened tv five feet, all distances from any part of my body, taking all rings and watch off, and the longer I remain in that position , the more depression is eliminated , all of it in a day, never conks out. feel some noticeable improvement after even ten minutes.
I also found another way of duplicating the fetal hand position which took no effort like the above one does, and found a way to beat the electronic radiation problem too if anyone is interested.
Steve Lord
How I beat my lifelong depression problem.
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I have a unique factor in my blood by which I have found some new ways to stimulate our immune and other healing systems that were not previously known. They are by far the most powerful healing methods known, so powerful and so all encopassing in effect that I believethey would eliminate the need for half or more of the physicians and health care system, cure almost all infections disease in the world, reduces autoimmune disease to symptomless, cure virtually all osteoporosis, make many or most people who suffer from endogenous depression depression free, etc etc etc. It is, in my observation in myself and others, that powerful and all encompassing. This long discussion below is close to all I know about it.
I am a retired lawyer. I started producing a unique factor in my blood in 1984 that has been partly characterized at the VA Hospital and 2 New York Stock Exchange biotech firms in the Bay Area, Genetech and Chiron, the latter,now acquired by Novartis, the VA Hospital in Loma Linda bone lab, and other institutions. I am told that this factor has never been reported in the literature;. It didnt work in anyone's lab assays for known factors.
Chiron told me that my factor did strange things in their assays vis a vis the immune cells and they partially characterized it. I noticed that one thing this factor does is cause muscle contraction in me to occur during the time anything is stimulating my immune system, and I have found through many observations over 20 years that that muscle contraction is to the same degree as the level of immune stimulation mostly be seeing the reaction to my many throat viruses I get due to very poor immunity I have always had there. This has given me a unique advantage in investigating what stimulates the human immune system, by how much and at what point each stops doing so, conks out. I did not start with any theory about what stimulated our immune and other healing systems. I merely tested things found what worked and then looked for common denominators to form into theories or categories of what worked.
After thousands of hours of testing on myself and now about 40 others, I have concluded that all, repeat ALL, the the things that stimulate our immune system to a very high degree and never diminish in strength or stop working even after years of usage are all in one category: they all are either conditions that we evolved under during much or all of our 4 million years on
earth or are a behavior we did over and over again in approximately the same way
during our evolution. Or if you dont believe in evolution , call it history, man's history. Or if you happen to believe it is all by Gods hand then God must have tied what stimulates our immunity and other healing systems to what we did the most over our history. This stimulation response is triggered by us now doing these same behaviors or when experiencing these same conditions again if done in close enough to the same way we have done or experienced them over our history. If we have a more limited (or no) experience with the condition or behavior they will tend to be poor stimulators in degree and/or will stop working within a short time.
If this finding were true , you may wonder, then why hasn't it been described before. Well , the only reason I was able to know about it was due the unique factor in my blood which gave me such a testing advantage. I had no idea that these things worked before I started producing this factor in my blood. This is not the result of some great insight. It is the result of countless hours of testing. And if I am good at anything, it is in perceiving even minor changes in my body.
An example of this past behavior or condition now having evolved into an immune and other healing system stimulation trigger is the breathing of the so called negative oxygen ions emitted by plants, or at seashores when waves crash onto the shore and, I have read, in caves. all would have been part of our history, although I have never been in a cave to find out is those negative ions work. A machine that is sold for healing emits negative oxygen ions, but the machines decent immune stimulation which was still working in me after two days of constant use, caused me to experience a quite a strong discomfort after a couple of days of use, which the other naturally formed negative ion does not cause. So the machines negative ions must be slightly different than the ones produced by nature. Being next to the waves rolling ono the shore at seashores has an additional way of stimulating me/us that is even more important and you may have noticed the lift you get from being very close to where the wave deposited water is evaporating , leaving salt crystals forming, but thats another story, as is the fact that just bei near enough to seawater itself also works and does not conk out via a reason I describe later in this discussion whereby one can be merely near an object and still be affected by it.
There are a few more categories that stimulate our immunity that we did some in our history such as laughing (actually its the smile that causes it, tightening or exerting the sphincter,ouwards as when on the toilet, deep breathing, smelling the fragrance of some types of plant oils (aromatherapy) but they all conk out in a few minutes in my experience, And walking, too, but in me even that conked out within ten minutes, at least when I walk briskly,maybe longer for some, I guess due to the fact that we walk at so many different speeds and styles or it is harder to form a perfected response regarding something in constant motion,too many different positions to deal with,
There are several other ways to stimulate our immunity that do not conk out , merely being next to a very highly purified salt crystal (that was the only crystal out of the countless ones I tested including a very pure quartz one that did not conk out), evidently derived from being around the salt crystals at sea shores, the purified pure sodium chloride version in a jar , made by a Professor at Oregon State, BIll Fredericks, who sent it to me, being the common denominator of all seahore salt crystals which have a varying degree of other minerals in them It was probably the purest salt crystal in the world or batch of them of which he gave me one the size of an ice cube, he speculated. Any less pure crystals I used did not give as strong a result except those salt crystals at seashores but only as they were forming during the time between each deposit of water from each wave. Slightly better than that was the bottle of purified glycogen I bought from a chemical company. The same molecule of glycogen is stored in masses in storage compartments in I guess all living things. Below I explain how just being near something can effect us, via their atoms emitting gamma rays in a pattern that would be unique to each molecule, after cach atom in the molecule is struck by the electrons from cosmic rays.
But the ones that I found that worked best were things we did in the womb over
and over in close to the same way as fetuses most commonly do. Sucking the thumb, holding the hands, one hand is fine, two only slightly stronger, near the chin,as one would do when sucking the thumb but not putting the thumb in the mouth, or even upper chest high anywhere from sternum to shoulder but probably not as good to put the hand on the other side of the sternum are all great positions. One can rest their elbow on anything to make this more comfortable.nothing should be held in or touching the treating hand, except if its in your mouth , nose or ear, and hold the hand reasonably still. Dont put anything over the hand like a sheet or blanket. This can be done sitting, standing, even walking, or lying down. If lying down
Note the similarity to the positions in Yoga, and especially Tai Chi, Qi Gong, Falen Gong which have a lot of studies confirming their effectiveness. .-Anytime I have my hands above my waist there is SOME immune (and other healing stimulation, but how much depends on how close to the more COMMON fetal positions I hold my hand in, and the photos show the fetus' most commonly holding his hands upper chest high and when I do, that is when I get the above mentioned muscle contraction the strongest telling me the immune stimulation is greater and I corroborated that by better treating any virus I may have at the time of testing. Those Eastern practices dont always have their hand upper chest high. . Those Eastern practices also make a big mistake in not always
holding the hand or hands reasonably still, the hands are often in continuous or almost continuous movement,, and for me moving them around all the time greatly reduces the effect, and of course they dont treat long enough. ,
Others of this group of the best triggers include exerting pressure with the thumb of the other hand or an organic cotton ball, against the outside part of tthat web between the thumb and forefinger, where the fetus would have evidently most commonly held
its umbilical cord which I was told is also a Korean healing method, and its a strong one, although I dont recommend it since I got a strange reaction from it twice. .That this is the reason that web spot works is that if I line up my right hand so that my navel is just to the left of that web, it is similarly strong. Another holding the arm straight out to the side parallel to the ground, which happens to be the way the arm starts to grow in the fetus in the photographs. One could rest the arm on a sofa cushion next to him to make it easier, curl the fingers so the whole palm doesnt rest flat on the cushion.
Inserting the fingertip in the nose, or inserting the forfinger in the ear if it is inserted in as far as it can go so it is touching the inner wall next to the ear canal. also give a response equal to the best ones, thus the fetus must have explored both I read a thread in which mothers were complaining that their baby was so often sticking its finger in its ear.
Since there is an advantage in most diseases to being able to do one of those
positions,continuously without any effort , using part of a cotton ball to recreate the slight pressure
caused by the fetus' finger against the inner wall of its ear would have been the most convenient way to do that.
contact with (between the lips , in the the nostril , or the inner
So I found that the cotton ball which has been partially stripped of its identity by bleaching and processing was the only thing that gave me the same degree of uninterupted stimulation . Everything else I tried stopped working after about five minutes minutes. Cotton is made from strands of glucose molecules which are found in the body or I have a suspicion that it is for a different reason that cotton worked but thats a long explanation , but it is the only thing that did and I and my mother used it 24 hours a day.
In 2003 or 2004 I think it was that cotton in the ear stopped working for everyone and I didn't understand why until I found out that they had started using genetically modified (GMO) cotton in the cotton balls and thus the cotton was no longer fooling the body into thinking it was the fetus' finger. So thereafter we used ONLY ORGANIC cotton balls which do work. The only brand I ever tested was Organic Essentials, which can be ordered on the internet , so I cant vouch for the other brands, but likely the result will be similar although I wouldnt know if the other brands processing alters the cotton in such a way as to reduce the effect. . I have no reliationship with that or any company.
No placebo effect eliminates a cold anywhere near this quickly. In one recent major study of a cold antiviral the data submitted to the FDA stated that the placebo reduced the time of cold symptoms from 9 to 7 days, as opposed to 1 ro 2 hours for the cotton in the ear or holding the hand up in one of th e common fetal positions. Four out of the last five people who merely put theirhand up near their chin and held it still , nothing in the hand told me it cured their cold in an hour, two had been to doctors for them due to their severity, but a woman on the internet said she tried it for one haur and it failed to clear her cold, so I suggested to her to just use it longer. That kind of power would likely wipe out almost all of the infectious disease in the world, TB, Malaria, Dengue fever , etc except those few ones perhaps which hide from the immune system , as in AIDS.and in AIDS of course the immune system is the one making the virus, but I spoke to an AIDS researcher at the NIH who said an immune stimulant would still be useful in AIDS if used in conjunction with an antiviral.
I will stop here more later
Steve Lord Santa Barbara, California
I have a unique factor in my blood by which I have found some new ways to stimulate our immune and other healing systems that were not previously known. They are by far the most powerful healing methods known, so powerful and so all encopassing in effect that I believethey would eliminate the need for half or more of the physicians and health care system, cure almost all infections disease in the world, reduces autoimmune disease to symptomless, cure virtually all osteoporosis, make many or most people who suffer from endogenous depression depression free, etc etc etc. It is, in my observation in myself and others, that powerful and all encompassing. This long discussion below is close to all I know about it.
I am a retired lawyer. I started producing a unique factor in my blood in 1984 that has been partly characterized at the VA Hospital and 2 New York Stock Exchange biotech firms in the Bay Area, Genetech and Chiron, the latter,now acquired by Novartis, the VA Hospital in Loma Linda bone lab, and other institutions. I am told that this factor has never been reported in the literature;. It didnt work in anyone's lab assays for known factors.
Chiron told me that my factor did strange things in their assays vis a vis the immune cells and they partially characterized it. I noticed that one thing this factor does is cause muscle contraction in me to occur during the time anything is stimulating my immune system, and I have found through many observations over 20 years that that muscle contraction is to the same degree as the level of immune stimulation mostly be seeing the reaction to my many throat viruses I get due to very poor immunity I have always had there. This has given me a unique advantage in investigating what stimulates the human immune system, by how much and at what point each stops doing so, conks out. I did not start with any theory about what stimulated our immune and other healing systems. I merely tested things found what worked and then looked for common denominators to form into theories or categories of what worked.
After thousands of hours of testing on myself and now about 40 others, I have concluded that all, repeat ALL, the the things that stimulate our immune system to a very high degree and never diminish in strength or stop working even after years of usage are all in one category: they all are either conditions that we evolved under during much or all of our 4 million years on
earth or are a behavior we did over and over again in approximately the same way
during our evolution. Or if you dont believe in evolution , call it history, man's history. Or if you happen to believe it is all by Gods hand then God must have tied what stimulates our immunity and other healing systems to what we did the most over our history. This stimulation response is triggered by us now doing these same behaviors or when experiencing these same conditions again if done in close enough to the same way we have done or experienced them over our history. If we have a more limited (or no) experience with the condition or behavior they will tend to be poor stimulators in degree and/or will stop working within a short time.
If this finding were true , you may wonder, then why hasn't it been described before. Well , the only reason I was able to know about it was due the unique factor in my blood which gave me such a testing advantage. I had no idea that these things worked before I started producing this factor in my blood. This is not the result of some great insight. It is the result of countless hours of testing. And if I am good at anything, it is in perceiving even minor changes in my body.
An example of this past behavior or condition now having evolved into an immune and other healing system stimulation trigger is the breathing of the so called negative oxygen ions emitted by plants, or at seashores when waves crash onto the shore and, I have read, in caves. all would have been part of our history, although I have never been in a cave to find out is those negative ions work. A machine that is sold for healing emits negative oxygen ions, but the machines decent immune stimulation which was still working in me after two days of constant use, caused me to experience a quite a strong discomfort after a couple of days of use, which the other naturally formed negative ion does not cause. So the machines negative ions must be slightly different than the ones produced by nature. Being next to the waves rolling ono the shore at seashores has an additional way of stimulating me/us that is even more important and you may have noticed the lift you get from being very close to where the wave deposited water is evaporating , leaving salt crystals forming, but thats another story, as is the fact that just bei near enough to seawater itself also works and does not conk out via a reason I describe later in this discussion whereby one can be merely near an object and still be affected by it.
There are a few more categories that stimulate our immunity that we did some in our history such as laughing (actually its the smile that causes it, tightening or exerting the sphincter,ouwards as when on the toilet, deep breathing, smelling the fragrance of some types of plant oils (aromatherapy) but they all conk out in a few minutes in my experience, And walking, too, but in me even that conked out within ten minutes, at least when I walk briskly,maybe longer for some, I guess due to the fact that we walk at so many different speeds and styles or it is harder to form a perfected response regarding something in constant motion,too many different positions to deal with,
There are several other ways to stimulate our immunity that do not conk out , merely being next to a very highly purified salt crystal (that was the only crystal out of the countless ones I tested including a very pure quartz one that did not conk out), evidently derived from being around the salt crystals at sea shores, the purified pure sodium chloride version in a jar , made by a Professor at Oregon State, BIll Fredericks, who sent it to me, being the common denominator of all seahore salt crystals which have a varying degree of other minerals in them It was probably the purest salt crystal in the world or batch of them of which he gave me one the size of an ice cube, he speculated. Any less pure crystals I used did not give as strong a result except those salt crystals at seashores but only as they were forming during the time between each deposit of water from each wave. Slightly better than that was the bottle of purified glycogen I bought from a chemical company. The same molecule of glycogen is stored in masses in storage compartments in I guess all living things. Below I explain how just being near something can effect us, via their atoms emitting gamma rays in a pattern that would be unique to each molecule, after cach atom in the molecule is struck by the electrons from cosmic rays.
But the ones that I found that worked best were things we did in the womb over
and over in close to the same way as fetuses most commonly do. Sucking the thumb, holding the hands, one hand is fine, two only slightly stronger, near the chin,as one would do when sucking the thumb but not putting the thumb in the mouth, or even upper chest high anywhere from sternum to shoulder but probably not as good to put the hand on the other side of the sternum are all great positions. One can rest their elbow on anything to make this more comfortable.nothing should be held in or touching the treating hand, except if its in your mouth , nose or ear, and hold the hand reasonably still. Dont put anything over the hand like a sheet or blanket. This can be done sitting, standing, even walking, or lying down. If lying down
Note the similarity to the positions in Yoga, and especially Tai Chi, Qi Gong, Falen Gong which have a lot of studies confirming their effectiveness. .-Anytime I have my hands above my waist there is SOME immune (and other healing stimulation, but how much depends on how close to the more COMMON fetal positions I hold my hand in, and the photos show the fetus' most commonly holding his hands upper chest high and when I do, that is when I get the above mentioned muscle contraction the strongest telling me the immune stimulation is greater and I corroborated that by better treating any virus I may have at the time of testing. Those Eastern practices dont always have their hand upper chest high. . Those Eastern practices also make a big mistake in not always
holding the hand or hands reasonably still, the hands are often in continuous or almost continuous movement,, and for me moving them around all the time greatly reduces the effect, and of course they dont treat long enough. ,
Others of this group of the best triggers include exerting pressure with the thumb of the other hand or an organic cotton ball, against the outside part of tthat web between the thumb and forefinger, where the fetus would have evidently most commonly held
its umbilical cord which I was told is also a Korean healing method, and its a strong one, although I dont recommend it since I got a strange reaction from it twice. .That this is the reason that web spot works is that if I line up my right hand so that my navel is just to the left of that web, it is similarly strong. Another holding the arm straight out to the side parallel to the ground, which happens to be the way the arm starts to grow in the fetus in the photographs. One could rest the arm on a sofa cushion next to him to make it easier, curl the fingers so the whole palm doesnt rest flat on the cushion.
Inserting the fingertip in the nose, or inserting the forfinger in the ear if it is inserted in as far as it can go so it is touching the inner wall next to the ear canal. also give a response equal to the best ones, thus the fetus must have explored both I read a thread in which mothers were complaining that their baby was so often sticking its finger in its ear.
Since there is an advantage in most diseases to being able to do one of those
positions,continuously without any effort , using part of a cotton ball to recreate the slight pressure
caused by the fetus' finger against the inner wall of its ear would have been the most convenient way to do that.
contact with (between the lips , in the the nostril , or the inner
So I found that the cotton ball which has been partially stripped of its identity by bleaching and processing was the only thing that gave me the same degree of uninterupted stimulation . Everything else I tried stopped working after about five minutes minutes. Cotton is made from strands of glucose molecules which are found in the body or I have a suspicion that it is for a different reason that cotton worked but thats a long explanation , but it is the only thing that did and I and my mother used it 24 hours a day.
In 2003 or 2004 I think it was that cotton in the ear stopped working for everyone and I didn't understand why until I found out that they had started using genetically modified (GMO) cotton in the cotton balls and thus the cotton was no longer fooling the body into thinking it was the fetus' finger. So thereafter we used ONLY ORGANIC cotton balls which do work. The only brand I ever tested was Organic Essentials, which can be ordered on the internet , so I cant vouch for the other brands, but likely the result will be similar although I wouldnt know if the other brands processing alters the cotton in such a way as to reduce the effect. . I have no reliationship with that or any company.
No placebo effect eliminates a cold anywhere near this quickly. In one recent major study of a cold antiviral the data submitted to the FDA stated that the placebo reduced the time of cold symptoms from 9 to 7 days, as opposed to 1 ro 2 hours for the cotton in the ear or holding the hand up in one of th e common fetal positions. Four out of the last five people who merely put theirhand up near their chin and held it still , nothing in the hand told me it cured their cold in an hour, two had been to doctors for them due to their severity, but a woman on the internet said she tried it for one haur and it failed to clear her cold, so I suggested to her to just use it longer. That kind of power would likely wipe out almost all of the infectious disease in the world, TB, Malaria, Dengue fever , etc except those few ones perhaps which hide from the immune system , as in AIDS.and in AIDS of course the immune system is the one making the virus, but I spoke to an AIDS researcher at the NIH who said an immune stimulant would still be useful in AIDS if used in conjunction with an antiviral.
I will stop here more later
Steve Lord Santa Barbara, California
dougsan wrote:Interesting. Are there any published books or papers supporting your findings?
Nope, people ask me that all the time, why would it matter as to whether one would invest an hour of their lives trying it if its not published in the New ENgland Journal of Medicine, why not just get away from radiatnon , rings, watches, and smokinig and find out for yourself> By the way also you shold fest result be away from SSRIs because I just read they supress immunity .and other immune suppressants probably suppress all the healing effects of this therapy, but I cant be sure unless someone fails using SSRIS. SO far I am the only person to use it for depression Are you taking them or any other imm. suppressing drug? WHy dont you try it for an hour and tell me if you can detect a difference in your depression. Thanks.
steve Lord
Doug, do you believe that tai chi, qi gong, , falun gong and yoga have benefits for humans? People swear by them, and there are studies that back them up. In all four of them the hands are above the waist usually or almost always, or always , depending on which practice you do, or if bending over as in some yoga positoins, the hands are still in juxtaposition with the upper body, which still triggers this same result as the fetal hand position,. The fetus nevrer that I have seen has his hands below his waist. WHen I have my hands ANYWHERE above my waist there is immune stimulation, but those four practices could be a lot more powerful , I have found, by keeping the hand or hands reasonably still, those four often keep the hands movinig,which makes it a lot less powerful, and if they placed the hands in the MOST common fetal hand positions, and if they did the practice longer.
STeve Lord
STeve Lord
Very interesting position you have. I believe anything we believe in can be good for us but that doesn't mean it wil be god for anyone else. All the exercises you noted, to me, are forms of meditation. I believe in meditation and, though not now, have meditated most of my adult life through running. A cute story about this, if I may.
My work often took me to Japan. During my first extended trip it became known that I went for an early morning run each day for 90 minutes. One morning, as I exited my hotel, there were three people from the office wearing new running gear. They informed me they had been assigned to run with me. This being Japan I knew there was nothing I could say but thank you. Off we went. After about 45 minutes all three of my "running friends" were completely exhausted. I learned then they were not runners. They had been chosen, an honor, because they were bright workers.
That day in the office I called a meeting of the management team and explained I did not need "running friends". Mgmt poo pooed me and said it was their obligation to supply people to run with me so I wouldn't be alone. To make a long story short 30 minutes into the meeting I explained running was my way of meditating and when I was accompanied on my runs I was unable to meditate. With this I was informed I would not have "running friends" in the future.
My work often took me to Japan. During my first extended trip it became known that I went for an early morning run each day for 90 minutes. One morning, as I exited my hotel, there were three people from the office wearing new running gear. They informed me they had been assigned to run with me. This being Japan I knew there was nothing I could say but thank you. Off we went. After about 45 minutes all three of my "running friends" were completely exhausted. I learned then they were not runners. They had been chosen, an honor, because they were bright workers.
That day in the office I called a meeting of the management team and explained I did not need "running friends". Mgmt poo pooed me and said it was their obligation to supply people to run with me so I wouldn't be alone. To make a long story short 30 minutes into the meeting I explained running was my way of meditating and when I was accompanied on my runs I was unable to meditate. With this I was informed I would not have "running friends" in the future.
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