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cgaze2
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Church Brouhaha

Postby cgaze2 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:05 am

Ay-o..... One of the things that I've been *trying* to do is to approach my health from many different angles. So: health = balance nutritionally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally??? Something like that.....

I tried going back to church. For a while it seemed to be working, UNTIL going & whatever upliftment that would occur would be overshadowed by the negativity I detected. You ready?

The leaders of the ministry were one-track minded & had extreme tunnel vision. Why? I don't know. My way of self-expression has always been the Arts. A few different people in the ministry were upset with my singing (& no it was not because I was out of tune or sounded bad). I got the feeling that the problem involved JEALOUSY or some other "bad vibes". I dismissed the thought.

2nd Sunday I went, 1 of the leaders stated that fellowship was NOT about music, singing, etc. 3rd Sunday I was there, the other leader said the opposite that the followers must lift up their hands & voices in praise, etc.

I was sick a few months ago. I did not tell them I had the flu for 3 weeks. When I returned, words were thrown from the pulpit about going to the doctor & taking pills prescribed from the doctor. There was a point: to be careful of seeing doctors as gods, which is great to heed, but I sensed a negativity in the message. There was also this mention of making excuses & backsliding not to obey God's will. Um yeah, so I was supposed to come to "church" with my sneezing, watery eyes, sore throat, runny nose, etc. & possibly spread that to the other members? Oh yeah, & I would have to drive there in that condition, too.

From what was said, I started feeling really disturbed because you know what, I couldn't be sure that if something happened to me that the people there would actually call 911 for an ambulance AND pray over me for a speedy recovery/safeguarding of my life.

Why do I think true negativity came from the people there, especially the leaders? Well there was a time when an event was occurring when the same night as Bible study & 1 of the leaders made a comment, regarding those people who didn't attend. Something was said to the effect that they didn't have their priorities straight. What was said felt wrong to me. To me, there was nothing wrong with those individuals going to the event. It was something to do with foods from different chefs/restaurants that comes only 1 time per year. Of course, it's always good to have restraint--tasting the foods without be gluttonous, displaying drunknenness, etc.

You still with me?

Another flip flop occurred when a question regarding learning martial arts arose. First what the leader said is that they would defend their physical property if someone came to cause them harm. Then, when further clarification was asked about that, it turned that spiritual protection is the most important, praying & obedience to God. Maybe I have a lot left to learn, but I don't see a problem with doing BOTH: praying & defending oneself/one's family (maybe not martial arts per se, but some sort of self-defense).

I found I would end up stressing over things that to me I didn't need to be stressing over, mountains out of mole hills literally--coming away confused than before I attended.

What prompted me to FINALLY quit that ministry was when the leader ridiculed & belittled me for asking a question. "Are you really asking such & such?" I don't know if it were all the people on the call that did the following, but they laughed. The leader made what I asked into a sarcastic comment/joke & the individuals there laughed. I want to say that it was due to ignorance or in general just not using their brains because I really didn't want to believe that those people were laughing at my 15 years of pain & suffering. Followers of Christ & the family of God as they claimed themselves to be don't do that, right? (I just want to note that I didn't ask anything inappropriate.)

Whatever happened to "there's no such thing as a dumb question", that it's better to ask if you either don't know something or don't understand? The manner in which it was answered also seemed to indicate the person didn't know what I was talking about at all.

I left them all in peace. Do you know that 1 of the leaders contacted me on my phone via text again throwing words stating that as followers of Christ, "we should be talking about ourselves LESS & more about our Redeemer", etc. AFTER THE DIRT THEY DID!!! You know what the messed up part was? The person who sent it was a COWARD & also DISRESPECTFUL. The text was sent directly to me but I was addressed as Family, instead of my actual name which they do know. It wasn't sent on the general chat where everyone is included & no text came on the general chat in case it was for everyone.

It is my hope no one else has had a "church/religion" experience like mine or worse! We all deserve positivity & in general just so much better than the negativity we have seen. I am off to find another ministry at some point!

Prycejosh1987
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Re: Church Brouhaha

Postby Prycejosh1987 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:11 pm

cgaze2 wrote:Ay-o..... One of the things that I've been *trying* to do is to approach my health from many different angles. So: health = balance nutritionally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, mentally??? Something like that.....

I tried going back to church. For a while it seemed to be working, UNTIL going & whatever upliftment that would occur would be overshadowed by the negativity I detected. You ready?

The leaders of the ministry were one-track minded & had extreme tunnel vision. Why? I don't know. My way of self-expression has always been the Arts. A few different people in the ministry were upset with my singing (& no it was not because I was out of tune or sounded bad). I got the feeling that the problem involved JEALOUSY or some other "bad vibes". I dismissed the thought.

2nd Sunday I went, 1 of the leaders stated that fellowship was NOT about music, singing, etc. 3rd Sunday I was there, the other leader said the opposite that the followers must lift up their hands & voices in praise, etc.

I was sick a few months ago. I did not tell them I had the flu for 3 weeks. When I returned, words were thrown from the pulpit about going to the doctor & taking pills prescribed from the doctor. There was a point: to be careful of seeing doctors as gods, which is great to heed, but I sensed a negativity in the message. There was also this mention of making excuses & backsliding not to obey God's will. Um yeah, so I was supposed to come to "church" with my sneezing, watery eyes, sore throat, runny nose, etc. & possibly spread that to the other members? Oh yeah, & I would have to drive there in that condition, too.

From what was said, I started feeling really disturbed because you know what, I couldn't be sure that if something happened to me that the people there would actually call 911 for an ambulance AND pray over me for a speedy recovery/safeguarding of my life.

Why do I think true negativity came from the people there, especially the leaders? Well there was a time when an event was occurring when the same night as Bible study & 1 of the leaders made a comment, regarding those people who didn't attend. Something was said to the effect that they didn't have their priorities straight. What was said felt wrong to me. To me, there was nothing wrong with those individuals going to the event. It was something to do with foods from different chefs/restaurants that comes only 1 time per year. Of course, it's always good to have restraint--tasting the foods without be gluttonous, displaying drunknenness, etc.

You still with me?

Another flip flop occurred when a question regarding learning martial arts arose. First what the leader said is that they would defend their physical property if someone came to cause them harm. Then, when further clarification was asked about that, it turned that spiritual protection is the most important, praying & obedience to God. Maybe I have a lot left to learn, but I don't see a problem with doing BOTH: praying & defending oneself/one's family (maybe not martial arts per se, but some sort of self-defense).

I found I would end up stressing over things that to me I didn't need to be stressing over, mountains out of mole hills literally--coming away confused than before I attended.

What prompted me to FINALLY quit that ministry was when the leader ridiculed & belittled me for asking a question. "Are you really asking such & such?" I don't know if it were all the people on the call that did the following, but they laughed. The leader made what I asked into a sarcastic comment/joke & the individuals there laughed. I want to say that it was due to ignorance or in general just not using their brains because I really didn't want to believe that those people were laughing at my 15 years of pain & suffering. Followers of Christ & the family of God as they claimed themselves to be don't do that, right? (I just want to note that I didn't ask anything inappropriate.)

Whatever happened to "there's no such thing as a dumb question", that it's better to ask if you either don't know something or don't understand? The manner in which it was answered also seemed to indicate the person didn't know what I was talking about at all.

I left them all in peace. Do you know that 1 of the leaders contacted me on my phone via text again throwing words stating that as followers of Christ, "we should be talking about ourselves LESS & more about our Redeemer", etc. AFTER THE DIRT THEY DID!!! You know what the messed up part was? The person who sent it was a COWARD & also DISRESPECTFUL. The text was sent directly to me but I was addressed as Family, instead of my actual name which they do know. It wasn't sent on the general chat where everyone is included & no text came on the general chat in case it was for everyone.

It is my hope no one else has had a "church/religion" experience like mine or worse! We all deserve positivity & in general just so much better than the negativity we have seen. I am off to find another ministry at some point!

Your be happy to know most christians have terrible voices. My voice sounds okay, but i can assure you i would not win the xfactor. God doesnt look at the outward appearance but the heart. Most of the christians that are more faithful and dedicated at my church are people with terrible voices when they sing. That doesnt matter. Attitude matters and so does persistence and drive.
You should always take doctors advice, we should use intelligent faith, Its stupid to say im not going to the specialist because i believe in faith. It sounds good but its not in practice. The doctor is supposed to confirm healings.
You have to remember people are people, even people of god have flaws. Even john the baptist was a sinner and he was born with the holy spirit. I didnt say born BY the holy spirit like jesus. But from birth john (the baptist) had the spirit. He still sinned. Be patient and understanding that everyone, even Christians have flaws.
Do not let it effect your relationship with god. Do things without being asked, and be forgiving. Study the truths of spirituality and love god for god and not because you were told to. Spend more time studying the word and fasting. Good luck on the road to success.


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